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Old Memories, New Memories- Good Times: 2014 New York Spring Turkey Youth Hunt
What started out as a plan ‘B’ turned out to be a memorable hunt for a very nice young man and two of us old well seasoned hunters. It would be memorable for a host of reasons which I’ll explain further.
Since the inception of the New York Spring Youth Turkey Hunt, there have been plenty of memories made, and lots of pictures of young adults with smiling faces. For my hunting partner Paul Walling and I this has been our experience, and something we look forward to. Although my children were grown adults before the inception of the special youth season, I would take out a young hunter as the opportunities presented themselves. Like many of you, we would take out young hunters in regular season as well.
For this particular hunt, Paul and I would be taking Keller Pai out for this morning’s hunt. Keller has taken several gobblers in prior hunts, and has a few seasons under his belt. As much as Paul and I enjoy each other’s company while hunting, we would agree that taking out a young hunter is the highlight of the season. Paul grew up learning how to hunt while taught by his father, and that is something I appreciate very much as I did not hunt until my mid 20″s. My father was an Adirondack deer hunter, but gave that up after joining the Navy. The experience for us to take out Keller is especially rewarding as the morning would be full of lessons of the turkey woods, and recounting of past experiences of our escapades and that of Paul and his father.
Our plan ‘A’ for the morning was to visit one of our favorite haunts that we affectionately call “Shorties.” There is a lengthy story behind the name, and technically there are two possibly three separate stories depending how one parses it. A chapter in my first book “Hills of Truxton” was dedicated to this “special” gobbler and so named. Disclosing the exact location is of course misleading on purpose but I can tell you that it is a piece of state game lands south of Cortland, or was that northeast of Truxton? I arrived ahead of Paul and Keller at 5:16AM, only to find another truck parked there, and they had already headed in. As good as the place is, we very seldom run into other hunters there. I let Paul know that we needed to go elsewhere as we would not intrude on purpose, and would give them the courtesy that is due. We would regroup and try our luck at another favored spot a little more than a mile from where we were. We would find our plan “B” choice to be unencumbered, and appeared to had little vehicle traffic nor any one parking there recently. As a side note, we saw no other vehicles parked at the side of the road or at trail heads the remainder of the morning. In some respects the 2nd location and the logging trail along the bottom of a hill would provide an area shielded from the predominate wind that morning, allowing us to hear a ways off. Rain had tapered off long before daylight, although cool temps greeted us, it was much more comfortable being out of the wind. The morning would remained overcast and cloudy, no bright sunny day to warm things up today. A base layer, and light hunting jacket would suffice.
We would slowly work our way into the woods as the regrouping had us going in as the sky began to change and was getting light out. Paul knew the traditional roosting areas very well,and we could cover some ground without disrupting the birds as they waited to fly down. We quickly called up an owl, which did elicit a gobble from parts unknown in distance and only a general direction. The owl favored Paul’s rendition of an owl more so this morning, and would occasionally answer my efforts. Paul and I learned long ago, that with two callers, favored responses will switch back and forth over the course of the morning. It mattered little, as long as we got a response. For the first 30 minutes we would occasionally hear a gobbler, not at all close but in a direction that we figured to be where Plan “A’ would have taken place. I personally thought we would hear a shot come from there. Something that we never heard during our time there this morning. A slow start to be sure.
We eventually got out to a spot that overlooked a large drop off along the state land border. A few calls got a round house of gobbling and hen talk from a flock we figured to be a good quarter mile or further down the bottom of the overlook on private property. We sat down and decided to see what if anything the flock would do. By auditory appearances my guess would be several mature gobblers, a few jakes and at least a hen or two willing to talk. Most likely more hens than what we would like. They would gobble at any call we made, so we decided to wait a bit, and see if their feet were moving or just their beaks. Probably less than ten minutes, I did a short sequence on a mouth call that Paul makes for me, and got an immediate response, not more than a few hundred yards below us. We got an answer we were happy about. Wasting no time I moved back and over some from Paul and Keller. A few calls later the gobbles in response to our calls ceased and I figure either they were coming or working out the steep bank. After making a call with no response, I decided to hold off and see what they do. Paul and I read each other’s next moves pretty well, and when he called shortly after I had stopped it surprised me, even more so, the call was a very soft first yelp and finished just as soft. That is when I notice Keller’s shoulders tighten up. The game was on and target was in sight. The gun came up, and a moment later it roared. I was far enough back that I could not see the approaching bird.
We all got up, with Keller reaching the bird in mere seconds. It was a good sized jake, and he had wasted no time coming up the steep bank to get to us. Paul’s last call turned the bird enough to bring his path in front of them and within 30 yards. With the woods wide open which is typical for early season, it was great to not have the bird hangup 50-60-70 yards below our location. After tagging the bird and taking pictures we walked back only a little faster than we came in, listening for other gobblers as any intel is welcomed for the opener on May 1st. We did hear a few gobbles, but nothing close. Given our location, we were surprised to hear no other shotgun blasts, although Keller thought he heard one, far off and early.
Keller got a quick lesson as to how fast things can go from a gobble way over yonder to fast action with an even faster conclusion that can occur in the turkey woods. Something Paul and I have experienced many times and I would suspect that goes the same for many of you.
We concluded the hunt with a great breakfast at the local diner (location not disclosed) and then parted ways, headed for home. A short nap later that morning was most welcomed. Big congrats to Keller and a big thank you to Paul for what continues to be one of many great and memorable hunts.
© 2014 Mike Joyner- Joyner Outdoor Media
New!! Joyner Outdoor Media website launch and contest
Launch Day! Rolling out the new Joyner Outdoor Media website! A new responsive style site. One by one the individual book sites will be updated. Current ongoing book project sites will be updated from a place holder or requests for info to full content websites as well.
We’ll be kicking the tries over next few weeks to correct any goofs or make improvements. As we grow so to will the main site. The online stores are just now up, and will be expanded shortly.
To celebrate the launch, we’ll be giving away a signed set of books “Hills of Truxton” and “Tales From The Turkey Woods” at 1000 likes, 2500 likes, 5000 likes, and 7500 likes. At 10,000 likes a lucky winner will be invited on an all expense paid hunt with author Mike Joyner and a story of the experience to be included in “Grand Days In The Turkey Woods” currently being written. The winner may choose New York, or winner’s home state, or possibly others. Winner responsible for travel to and from the event, and license. Further details on additional incentives will be forthcoming.
Winners will be pick at random, and announced on facebook. Hunt trip winner will also be announced on facebook, and the resulting story will be reviewed with the winner before publication
© 2014 Mike Joyner- Joyner Outdoor Media
Early Season Hunting Tips
In most areas of the great Empire State, things appear to be running a little late as far as wild turkeys go. Flocks have splitt up only in past few weeks, which is what one would expect first week of April.
In Central New York from which I call my stomping grounds, the woods are wide open, affording little cover or concealment for positioning on gobblers. Expect to find sizable harems and a lot of areas with a boss bird keeping gobbling to a minimum.
Patience is key! There should be some satellite two & three year old gobblers that may peel off to come check you out. This means being in the game at all times, to and from your vehicle, and not fidgeting around when not much is happening.
These satellite gobblers are likely to come in silent, or only give you a single cluck. The 2010 spring hatch was spotty in many areas, and you may find only few jakes to stir up the action. Opportunities during early season are likely to happen quickly.
If you don’t have birds roosted, and are not waiting on them close and well before first light, you will have your work cut out for you. It will be a good week or more before there will be much green-up to conceal moving from spot to spot.
If you manage to get on to a bird early only to be defeated, it would be prudent to be back there again mid morning to see if he should return to check out that ‘mystery’ hen he heard sweet talking to him hours earlier.
With the woods being very open, there will be many spots so open, that decoys would be well advised. Just like open fields, a gobbler will come in just far enough to see what he wants to see. Open woods are no different.
As with any good set up, if you can position yourself so that the gobbler will appear at the same time within shotgun or bow range, your chances for success increase dramatically. If you are unable to judge distance, a ranger finder that archers use will help you to do this properly.
As always: safety first! Do not hide in cover, or position your decoys so that you may be compromised should an unethical hunter decide to stalk your position. Just as in defensive driving, take it upon yourself to avoid a potential mishap, and place your decoy 20-25 yards out, and where you can spot an incoming hunter. A good reminder to all: DO NOT STALK HEN CALLS!
For those that may use a gobble shaker, or other gobble call, do only in safe areas to do so. Same goes for gobbler decoys. While I am on my high horse, there is a product on the market that is essentially a decoy that mounts on your gun barrel for the purpose of stalking up on a bird. In many states the act of stalking a wild turkey while hunting is illegal. I cannot begin to describe how many safety issues and problems there are with using this product.
All I can say to those that would insist on legitimizing and using it: I would love to buy you an insurance policy with myself as the beneficiary.
Last but not least, move through your hunting grounds much like a hunter who still hunts for deer, especially with the lack of cover. Run and gun, may not be a great strategy the first week.
Another key to success during the opening week is active scouting while hunting. You may not get on to a gobbler first thing, but each bit of information, clues, and sign that you come across may be the ticket for putting a successful plan in place.
Be safe, shoot straight!
© 2011 Mike Joyner- Joyner Outdoor Media
Last minute tips for 2011 New York Spring Turkey Season
In most areas of the great Empire State, things appear to be running a little late as far as wild turkeys go. Flocks have split up only in past few weeks, which is what one would expect first week of April. In Central New York from which I call my stomping grounds, the woods are wide open, affording little cover or concealment for positioning on gobblers. Expect to find sizable harems and a lot of areas with a boss bird keeping gobbling to a minimum. Patience is key! There should be some satellite two & three year old gobblers that may peel off to come check you out. This means being in the game at all times, to and from your vehicle, and not fidgeting around when not much is happening. These satellite gobblers are likely to come in silent, or only give you a single cluck. The 2010 spring hatch was spotty in many areas, and you may find only few jakes to stir up the action. Opportunities during early season are likely to happen quickly.
If you don’t have birds roosted, and are not waiting on them close and well before first light, you will have your work cut out for you. It will be a good week or more before there will be much green-up to conceal moving from spot to spot. If you manage to get on to a bird early only to be defeated, it would be prudent to be back there again mid morning to see if he should return to check out that ‘mystery’ hen he heard sweet talking to him hours earlier.
With the woods being very open, there will be many spots so open, that decoys would be well advised. Just like open fields, a gobbler will come in just far enough to see what he wants to see. Open woods are no different. As with any good set up, if you can position yourself so that the gobbler will appear at the same time within shotgun or bow range, your chances for success increase dramatically.
As always: safety first! Do not hide in cover, or position your decoys so that you may be compromised should an unethical hunter decide to stalk your position. Just as in defensive driving, take it upon yourself to avoid a potential mishap, and place your decoy 20-25 yards out, and where you can spot an incoming hunter. A good reminder to all: DO NOT STALK HEN CALLS! For those that may use a gobble shaker, or other gobble call, do only in safe areas to do so. Same goes for gobbler decoys.
While I am on my high horse, there is a product on the market that is essentially a decoy that mounts on your gun barrel for the purpose of stalking up on a bird. In many states the act of stalking a wild turkey while hunting is illegal. I cannot begin to describe how many safety issues and problems there are with using this product. All I can say to those that would insist on legitimizing and using it: I would love to buy you an insurance policy with myself as the beneficiary.
Last but not least, move through your hunting grounds much like a hunter who still hunts for deer, especially with the lack of cover. Run and gun, may not be a great strategy the first week. Another key to success during the opening week is active scouting while hunting. You may not get on to a gobbler first thing, but each bit of information, clues, and sign that you come across may be the ticket for putting a successful plan in place.
Be safe, shoot straight!
© 2011 Mike Joyner- Joyner Outdoor Media
Record Book Boss gobbler tagged during 2010 Cortland Limb Hangers Chapter Annual Women’s Hunt
Truxton, New York, USA, Saturday, October 30th, 2010-
– A New York record book gobbler was harvested by Jenifer Zolla of Truxton, New York, during the Annual Women In The Outdoors (WITO) hosted by the Cortland Limb Hangers NWTF Chapter & Rolling Ridges Guides & Outfitters. Jen’…s gobbler sported 1-3/8” & 1-1/4” spurs, swung a 9-15/16” beard, and weighed an even 19lbs. The gobbler scored 65.1250 as a typical bird using the NWTF scoring system. Jen’s bird ties for #5 typical harvest by a female hunter in New York.
Saturday morning hunt began with Jen accompanied by Bret Eccleston (current NWTF New York State chapter president, Owner of Rolling Ridges), and Mike Joyner (past NWTF New York State chapter president, Outdoor Writer & author). After a uneventful first set up, a group of gobblers (8) were spotted along a field edge bordering a creek. The gobblers were fighting and strutting, and carrying on as they might in the spring before season. Another small group of five hens and juveniles stood back 20-30 yards watching the show. A plan was made to make a big loop and come up thru a small stand of pines to gain position on the two flocks. While executing the plan, a third flock had already moved up into the pines and spotted the approaching huntress with guides in tow. A few kee-kees from Mike stopped a few of the retreating birds (out of range), but only temporarily. The third flock ran back away from the field and did so without alarming the other two flocks. A lucky break!
Continuing on, Bret & Mike got Jen up to where she needed to be, and the flock of gobblers were spotted still fighting and chasing each other out in the field. After what seemed to be very long few minutes, the gobblers closed to within range. Jen acquired target lock on the big boy (beard was swinging as he walked), and dropped the hammer. Mike then made a pro guide move. While reacting in a lightning fast dead run to reach the downed gobbler, ran straight into a barbed wire fence. After extending the fence 4-5ft, Mike was reacquainted with the laws of physics and abruptly returned to original point of contact. Jen (much smarter) decided to go over the fence and reached the gobbler first. Mike and Bret made it there shortly after once Mike was unfasten from the fence. A little humor for the event.
Once the team regrouped it was learned what a huge gobbler Jen had harvested. A dandy bird for spring or fall season! Jen had filled her first tag the day prior with guide Jeff Sayre, and was now tagged out for the season. A big congrats to Jen for her successful outing.
Each fall season the Cortland Limb Hangers NWTF Chapter and Rolling Ridges Guides & Outfitting service host the annual WITO event providing opportunities for women to try fall turkey, bow hunting, goose, pheasant and small game hunting. The event is conducted with a family atmosphere of good food, good friends, and guides throughout the weekend.
For information on 2011 event contact Trish or Bret on the following facebook links:
http://www.facebook.com/trish.kelsey?ref=mf
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001617934527&ref=mf
NY Wild Turkey Records
If you have harvested a legally tagged wild turkey gobbler in NY (registered or not registered w/NWTF records) with one or more of the following attributes and interested in being interviewed for a book project:
Please contact mjoyner@joyneroutdoormedia.com
Note: Non registered birds- measurable attributes must be verified for consideration.
Typical score greater than 75.000 (weight x1 + beard x 2 + L & R spur x 10)
Non-Typical score greater than 105.000 (weight x1 + beard(s) x 2 + L & R spur x 10)
Weight greater than 26.5 lbs. (verifiable certified weight)
Beard Length greater than 12″ (verifiable length)
Spur Length greater than 1.625″ (verifiable length)
Color variations, Hens with spurs
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Empire-State-Limb-Hangers/139342609441424?v=info
The Gobbler That Got Away
May 1st, 2010, is a day I will remember for some time.
For years to come I will recall the beautiful first day of the New York Spring Turkey season. For the opener we were greeted with a calm, sunny day that started out in the mid fifties. I will certainly remember being disappointed that I could not share the day with my wife Lee, whom I have spent nearly every opening day with since we first met over thirteen years ago. Lee had to work that day, and could not switch schedules. I will also remember sharing another fine day in the turkey woods with Paul Walling who I have spent many mornings with chasing gobblers. Last but not least, I will fret over and over for many years, the circumstances which left me bewildered, and a gobbler wounded, not harvested.
Opening morning, Paul and I managed to find a few vocal gobblers on one of our favorite state land spots first thing. As it happens so many times, the birds worked us over more than we worked them. We suspected an attractive hen took her boyfriends and exited stage left. Given the fact we had little luck roosting birds the prior evening, it was a good start.
With the first half of the morning behind us we headed over to another favorite state land location we affectionately call “Shorty’s.” Appropriately named after a nasty old gobbler we chased there for four seasons. The past two seasons we arrived late morning and raised gobblers that quickly came to the gun, well after 10am which made for a great late morning hunt. In both cases someone else had been there prior to our arrival. To our surprise, no tell tale signs of a car or truck in the usual parking spots which we thought was odd for the opener.
We had barely made our way down a logging road, when we raised a bird. With the way the land laid, it sounded as if the gobbler was across the road. Paul knew better from many years of hunting the location. As we got to a better listening spot along the top of the ridge, we were better able to pinpoint the gobbling bird, and quickly moved to setup. With late morning birds it pays to be decisive, and setup quickly as the birds are more likely to come in quicker than at other times. Paul suggested a staggered setup along the side bank just below the ridge top to cover two likely paths the bird would take. In less than fifteen minutes the bird closed the distance and was shook the woods when he gobbled. In fact the bird gobbled the entire way to our setup. The bird showed himself at less than fifty yards after an ear shattering gobble that just rattled the woods. His neon white head was the first ting to come into view. This was not just a big bird, it was a pig with wings. His fan was enormous, and I would figure him to be in the 22-23 lbs range. In retrospect, he was probably bigger given my tendency to be conservative in my estimates. He folded up, and walked to within 35 yards of my position, stopped and put his head straight up to take a look. With a clear path all the way to him, I settle the holosight just below his head and squeezed the trigger.
This is where the story goes downhill. The gobbler went down and backwards only to roll over and take flight. Paul came over asking what went wrong, and at that point I didn’t have a clue. Paul thought he might have come in closer. Looking back, I regret not waiting to find out. Given the circumstances I was comfortable with the shot, as it was the same scenario that has been repeated time and time again in the past (with more positive results). We went to look for the gobbler, only to flush him out of a tree down the hill. We still spent some time looking to double check, and in the end determined that it was the same bird that had flown back out of the tree as we started to look. Upon further inspection I found burnt cardboard pieces plugging up my ported choke tube and realized I had a bad shell. The shot sounded a bit off, and Paul thought it sounded not as loud as it should have. I opt to not name the manufacturer here, but I guarantee I’ll be having a discussion with them in the near future.
Humility and reality have come early this season. I spend a great deal of time to own and maintain firearms that get the job done, and are reliable. I pattern each gun, shot shell, and choke tube combination I care to use. I take the time to know each of my setups for their capabilities and limitations. This is something that most turkey hunters do to ensure a clean kill. My point of aim was not an issue, as I have gone to using holosights. My eyes are not what they use to be, and I am not willing to settle for close enough with a vent rib/bead. I have the benefit of being on target each and every time I place the circle and dot on a gobblers head. The point of all this is that despite my preparations, dedication to details, only taking a shot that meets my comfort & skill level. I still walked out of there with my tail between my legs, and the knowledge that I wounded a bird rather than harvested him. To add insult to injury, this was a very large bird, and we had caught up with him at the right place, and right time.
I am fortunate that I have only had this happen but a few times in the many seasons I have chased gobblers. I can recall at will, painful details of each of them, and it serves as a constant reminder that it’s not always a done deal nor a 100% guarantee, This also serves as a reason why I do no advocate longer shots, as the farther it is, the more likely that something will go wrong or be less than optimal. I rep for Hevi-Shot shells, and I bring this very point up in my seminars. In this case I was using another company’s shot shell which happens to pattern better in the shotgun I was using. Nevertheless, it is possible to get an errant shell from any brand or manufacture.
Without a doubt I will replay this in my head many times over, not to mention that I will go back throughout the season to try to determine if the gobbler survived his injuries, or not. I owe him that much at least.
Central NY Outdoor Author Live Interview
McGraw, NEW YORK – Joyner Outdoor Media announces mid winter live radio show
appearance for McGraw, New York Author: Mike Joyner
Live Radio Interview
Joyner will be live on “Outdoors Live with Tommy and Wanda” radio show Monday, March 16th, 2m -3pm EST, 1pm-2pm CST. the hour long interview will feature the Central New York author discussing his latest book: “Tales from the Turkey Woods.” Along with a discussion of the new book, the show will take calls from listeners, and give away copies of the book during the show
.More on Mike Joyner: www.turkeywoods.com www.joyneroutdoormedia.com
“Outdoors Live with Tommy and Wanda” -Join Tommy & his wife, Wanda every Monday on KKountry 95 Radio, 95.1 FM at 1 PM CST & get the latest tips & secrets from the
Pros and others in fishing and hunting! Listen live on the web at: www.kkountry.com More on Tommy & Wanda: www.tommyandwanda.com www.womenanglers.us
About the Author
Mike Joyner is a former president of the New York State Chapter of the National Wild Turkey
Federation. The author of Hills of Truxton, he is currently working on a collaboration with Paul
Walling entitled, Father and Son: A Life’s Journey Together in the Turkey Woods and a fourth
book entitled, Empire State Limb Hangers. He spends his spare time finishing a log home in
McGraw, New York, where he lives with his wife.
For more information, contact Mike Joyner at 607.753.8420 mjoyner@turkey-talk
CNY Outdoor Author Live Interview and Book Signing
CNY Outdoor Author Live Interview and Book Signing
McGraw, NEW YORK – Joyner Outdoor Media announces mid winter live radio show appearance, and book singing event for McGraw, New York Author: Mike Joyner
Live Radio Interview
Joyner will be live on DirksOutdoors radio show this Saturday, January 31st, 7am -8am.
The hour long interview will feature the Central New York author discussing his latestbook: “Tales from the Turkey Woods.” Along with a discussion of the new book, the show will take calls from listeners, and give away copies of the book during the show. DirksOutdoors radio show – WTBQ 99.1FM and 1110AM on Saturdays from 7am-8am Listen live on the web at www.WTBQ.com
www.dirksoutdoors.com www.turkeywoods.com.
Book Signing Event
Author Mike Joyner will appear for a book signing event at the CNY Sportsmen’s Show Saturday February 7th, 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. Feb. 7 at the Oneida Kallet Civic Center. Joyner will be on hand in support of his latest book -“Tales from the Turkey Woods”, and his first book -“Hills of Truxton” Books will be available at the show.
Other local authors will also be on hand for the event, including:
Bob Elinskas-“Adirondack Camps and Hunts Bill Ingersoll -“Discover the Adirondacks”, Dan Ladd-“Deer Hunting In the Adirondacks.” Gary Lee – “Adirondack Birding, Dave Henderson -“Modern Shotgunning” & “Shotgunning For Deer.
About the Author
Mike Joyner is a former president of the New York State Chapter of the National Wild Turkey Federation. The author of Hills of Truxton, he is currently working on a collaboration with Paul Walling entitled, Father and Son: A Life’s Journey Together in the Turkey Woods and a fourth book entitled, Empire State Limb Hangers. He spends his spare time finishing a log home in
McGraw, New York, where he lives with his wife.
For more information, contact Mike Joyner at 607.753.8420 mjoyner@turkey-talk.com
Wild Turkey Adventures
Joyner Outdoor Media proudly announces the publication of Tales from the
Turkey Woods: Mornings of My Better Days, by Mike Joyner
McGraw, NEW YORK – Joyner Outdoor Media announces the publication of Tales from the Turkey Woods: Mornings of My Better Days, by Mike Joyner
From the author of Hills of Truxton: Stories and Travels of a Turkey Hunter comes Tales from the Turkey Woods: Mornings of My Better Days, an inspired collection of vignettes regarding the pursuit of wild turkeys, one of Mother Nature’s most unpredictable birds. In this sequel, acclaimed nature author and outdoorsman Mike Joyner provides an altogether inspired account of his mornings spent on the trail of wild turkeys in the hinterlands of the Northeast.
From opening day to elusive pursuits, the author’s hunting narratives are action-packed and entertaining. Each story seems to put life into its proper perspective—a place where the memories of one’s father blends with Mother Nature. Where rain and wind walk hand in hand with a late summer breeze or an early fall frost and the break of day is a welcome reminder of what is important. The excitement, the splendor, the rawness of the hunt and the glory of the final moments is not often without humor and personal insight close at hand. The fact is: among friends and comrades in the very deepest parts of the woods, a person can learn a lot from hunting the wily wild turkey. “Spring mornings in the turkey woods is something that everyone should experience. It sharpens your senses, and sooths the soul. Time spent in the turkey woods has made other aspects of my life that much more rewarding.” —Mike Joyner
About the Author
Mike Joyner is a former president of the New York State Chapter of the National Wild Turkey Federation. The author of Hills of Truxton, he is currently working on a collaboration with Paul Walling entitled, Father and Son: A Life’s Journey Together in the Turkey Woods and a fourth book entitled, Empire State Limb Hangers. He spends his spare time finishing a log home in McGraw, New York, where he lives with his wife.
For more information, contact Mike Joyner at 607.753.8420 mjoyner@turkey-talk.com
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